Traffic fines

"ncasolowork2" (ncasolowork2) 08/04/2014 at 13:57 • Filed to: None

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How about fines are paid based on the value of your vehicle? I know some countries assess fines based on your net worth since a $100 fine to someone worth $100M is nothing, but what if the fine were based on the value of your vehicle? I don't drive an expensive car because I can't afford to. If I could afford a $1m car perhaps a $100 fine isn't the right deterrent.

MonkeePuzzle > ncasolowork2 08/04/2014 at 14:00

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got a speeding fine in Australia, it hurt, I felt like I was in a penal colony...

got a speeding fine in the USA, it was less than I pay for a tank of gas, I was not deterred

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > ncasolowork2 08/04/2014 at 14:01

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Perhaps... The first 2 or 3 speeding tickets are not very painful to someone like that, but once you hit too many points you jeopardize your license, I imagine this would deter even a millionaire from getting speeding tickets all the time.

Übel > ncasolowork2 08/04/2014 at 14:01

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But then why not just base it off of income?

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > ncasolowork2 08/04/2014 at 14:02

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Here you get 3 points for each speeding fine and certain other traffic violations. If you hit 12 points you get banned from driving. Sometimes you can sit through a dull day long course instead of the points though.

Decay buys too many beaters > ncasolowork2 08/04/2014 at 14:03

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Sweet, I need incentive to put a turbocharger on my beater Mk3 VW Jetta :)

HammerheadFistpunch > Übel 08/04/2014 at 14:03

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who's going to check? and based on what income? and what about offshore holdings?

AthomSfere > Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs 08/04/2014 at 14:05

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Nope! Because a good lawyer is cheap and all the tickets mysteriously become "parking tickets".

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ncasolowork2 08/04/2014 at 14:06

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And beatings adjusted for a person's pain tolerance?

BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion > ncasolowork2 08/04/2014 at 14:08

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I'd like that... My car doesn't have an official value on the Brazilian FIPE table, the closest thing to it is the Tipo 1.6 5-door, rated at a meager 3 thousand bucks.

ncasolowork2 > Übel 08/04/2014 at 14:09

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There have been a number of instances where the income wasn't the appropriate fine. Plus it requires a lot more work by the courts. Just look at the car go to the value book and assign a $ amount to the fine. A lot less work for the courts and a much better way to penalize speeders accordingly.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > ncasolowork2 08/04/2014 at 14:11

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What about the people who bought an expensive car that aren't rich, but saved for many years to purchase it?

IHopeMyNameTastesLikeSardinesToTheseBitches > ncasolowork2 08/04/2014 at 14:17

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Why not base it off penis length? The only reason I have a Corvette is to make up for a small penis - it should be understood that I'm speeding due to inadequacies. Fines should be inches x speed over limit in dollars. 180 in a 55 would only cost me $125, while some of you with giant dicks would pay upwards of $1,250 - because you deserve the higher fine!!!

claramag, Mustaco Master > ncasolowork2 08/04/2014 at 14:18

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Buy an 800 dollar civic. Park it anywhere.

treesmakewater > ncasolowork2 08/04/2014 at 14:28

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bring in the sleepers!

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > AthomSfere 08/04/2014 at 14:28

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Yeah, I suppose there's that.

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > ncasolowork2 08/04/2014 at 14:32

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So the solution is to buy a very quickly depreciating value :D

Or buy a car with a salvage title :P

CAR_IS_MI > ncasolowork2 08/04/2014 at 14:33

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I both love and hate this idea.

Out here our fines are stupid expensive. I once got a ticket for rolling through a stop sign (I seriously might have been going 1mph instead of fully stopping). $365 fine. I hired a traffic lawyer who get it down to a parking violation somehow which was only a $2xx fine, but ended up costing me almost $400 in total anyways after I payed him his lawer fees.

I also got a ticket for operating an unsafe vehicle the time my tire fell off. That was a $5xx fine.

They regularly write $1000 for not heeding to pedestrians and "speeding" through a school zone (zero tolerance, if your going 21 in a 20 your getting a ticket)

For these reasons I love the idea of a value based fine.

I hate it becasue this is also how they base our annual registration (vehicle value). My 2014 Wrangler that I bought last October with an MSRP of $38,xxx currently has an annual renewal fee of almost $900. While sure, the whole if you can't afford the reg don't buy the car argument comes into play, as an automotive enthusiast, I have always been willing to spend a little bit more than I rightfully should to get the car I want. This means, in the event I got a fine, I would have to spend more becasue I spent more to get the car I liked.

Jeff-God-of-Biscuits > ncasolowork2 08/04/2014 at 14:54

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But you also need to account for the guy that eats ramen, works 2 jobs, and fills in the spare minutes with puck up work to be able to drive the car they love. If you hit them with a vehicle value fine, they lose the vehicle.

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > CAR_IS_MI 08/04/2014 at 15:21

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Ad Valorem tax on registration is bogus. I'm happy we got rid of that in GA, since that means I can now buy newer and more expensive cars.

Although, on my truck, Ad Valorem is $15. The tag is another $10, so $25 to register the truck, as opposed to $300+ for a 6 year old BMW, or more for a brand new Mini.

CAR_IS_MI > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 08/04/2014 at 15:24

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I used to bitch about the $65 per 2 year renewal when I lived back east. Now I would welcome it. My S4 was $1,1xx from new...

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > CAR_IS_MI 08/04/2014 at 15:27

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"Fair Share! Fair Share! Fair Share!"

"Eat the rich!"

This brought to you by the letter W. For Warfare. Ain't no warfare like class warfare.

CAR_IS_MI > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 08/04/2014 at 15:29

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lol.

MIATAAAA > ncasolowork2 08/04/2014 at 15:53

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One of my cars value is about $400. Does that mean I could be immune, or is there a low-end cap? :D